Evan Flory-Barnes Interview

Evan Flory-Barnes

On Tuesday, April 25, 2017, I sat down with bassist, composer and Seattle native  Evan Flory-Barnes in my apartment in the Angeline to discuss his work, his vision for Seattle’s arts community and his upcoming concert at the Neptune Theater on May 18. I think you’ll find that such thoughtfulness, talent, humility and hunger for liberation are very rare in our world, and that we are lucky to claim this man as a product of this city at this time, when so much in our world is so much less than what he exemplifies.

His OA2 Records bio states:

Bassist and composer, Evan Flory-Barnes, is a Seattle native, who has been composing and performing music since he attended Garfield High School. He was a member of the award winning symphony orchestra at Garfield while writing music for the hip-hop group Maroon Colony. He is purposeful in his resolve to use his music to remove the barriers imposed on music, musicians and society–no genres. His vision is to create music that reflects beauty; stirs the emotions; and, enlightens the soul.

In the first segment, Evan says: “I’ve always heard music in a very particular way.” He reports being moved by film scores, like Star Wars, being exposed by his Dad to artists and groups like Curtis Mayfield. Marvin Gaye and the Isley Brothers and hearing the bass while being a student at Washington Middle School. He also reports being interested in basketball, creating comics and playing air bass with a t-square to the music of the Red Hot Chili Peppers. He says the music of the era when Curtis Mayfield was popular has more of a depth and personal nature than much of today’s music. He cites the warmth and character of the music of that era. He says the highest thing about Black American art is that it is inclusive. Listen to Part 1 – 7:20.

In segment two he discussed his musical family, featuring his maternal grandfather, a pianist from Lake Charles, Louisiana, by way of Los Angeles, whose piano playing featured influences as diverse as Ravel and Scott Joplin. He said he had an Aunt who was a singer and his Mom was as well. His paternal Grandmother sang in the church where his paternal Grandfather was a pastor, the AME church. This was an influence on his music as was his experience with the organ music at his Mother’s church, St. Edwards. He also mentions visual artists in his family. He cites Wayne Shorter as an influence and Shorter’s take on Jazz being freedom of expression. He also talked about his musical education at Garfield High and how Marcus Tsutakawa was a huge influence. He had a hip hop group, was playing electric bass to grunge music and tried out for and was rejected by the famed Garfield Jazz Band. Listen to Part 2 – 7:42.

In segment three he discussed his band Industrial Revelation, a band he calls a “brotherhood.” He met D’Vonne Lewis at Jazz Port Townsend, playing with pianist Aaron Parks and they had an immediate musical rapport. He talked about how he met Aham Oluo and Josh Rawlings, the other two members of the quartet. He also talked about what he understands as the “revelation” of Industrial Revelation, that being the essence and beauty of the listener at their concert being reflected back to them. He sees this work as “a sacred honor” He says it is an alternative to the capitalist system to give people the experience of being in touch with their own value, their own gifts as humans, which is at the core of what the “revelation” is, in his mind. Listen to Part 3 – 9:11.

In the fourth segment he responded to a question about how to maintain that effort to bring out the beauty in people when there are so many police attacks on Black men in this country.  He said history shows him some of the most beautiful, potent, inspired music comes from a “soulful loving defiance” and he said at this time, that effort needs to be “amplified.” He also responded to questions of cultural appropriation, in direct response to Dana Schutz’s “Open Casket” exhibited in the Whitney Biennial. He said any such issues comes down to respect and reverence and people “doing their soul-emotional homework.” Listen to Part 4 – 8:29.

In segment five Evan responded to a question about how Jazz in 2017 could be seen as “museum music”, a relic of the past. He talked about artists like Robert Glasper, Snarky Puppy, Kendrick Lamar, Chance the Rapper as well as more traditional Jazz artists like Christian McBride and how today, with Spotify, Youtube and other services one can “access their own world” but ultimately that not dumbing down the artistic gesture, and avoiding pretension is key and he feels Industrial Revelation achieves that and that is the key to its success. He feels Jazz is in good shape. Listen to Part 5 – 6:08.

In part 6 he discussed the artist’s dilemma between depth of content and commercial success. He said that often what happens when Industrial Revelation shares bills with other bands, they are exposing the areas where other bands are not “doing their work, their soul work” and are being inauthentic. He talked about his own soul work, being interested in spirituality and psychology, of an experience as a child of feeling something so immense that he likened to “the force.” It did not resonate with religious dogma that he was exposed to and started him on his quest. He cites Wayne Dyer as one of the first people who helped him understand a more spiritual way of being in the world via his PBS programs. He also cited Thich Nhat Hanh, Rumi, Kalil Gibran as influences on his inner life. He talked about meditation, Eckhart Tolle’s the Power of Now and his own practice of “loving what arises.” Listen to Part 6 – 7:29.

In the seventh segment Evan discussed the recent trip to Milan by Industrial Revelation, his own visits to Rome, Berlin and other European cities, the cultural climate in the U.S. in the Trump era and of the cultural vibe Seattle has with people he talked to in Europe. He said we have a chance here to lead the way in terms of issues like “gentrification vs. development.”  He said he would like for Seattle to be known for its cultural richness and that we should claim that and bring it more fully into being. Listen to Part 7 – 5:19.

In Part eight Evan responded to a question about the difference in his view between development and gentrification in Seattle. He discussed being in Florence and feeling the presence of the Medici family, known for their great wealth and patronage of the arts. He described the awe he felt seeing Michelangelo’s statue of David and said that art would be well-served to expand beyond a capitalist value system. Artists should be in the “soul-nourishing business.” He also compared Germany and U.S. awareness of their country’s own atrocities and the U.S. is not even close to what Germany has come to understand about their own dark history. He says that being in the corner of the continental U.S., Seattle has an opportunity to do what’s right in regards to this acknowledgement and to create a vibrant arts culture here. Listen to Part 8 – 5:53.


In the final segment, Part 9, he discussed his upcoming May 18 event: The Music of An Acknowledgement of a Celebration: Inheritance, Authenticity and Healing at the Neptune Theater. He said the event could be seen as a soundtrack to all that has been discussed in the interview and described the movements with their autobiographical nature. He discussed the influences, from Stravinsky to A Tribe Called Quest, among others. “Curtis Mayfield meets Bjork.” He talked about the elegy aspect of the project and gave an example of the singing he does for it. He talked about how the project came to be and what it means to him. Listen to Part 9 – 7:38.

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Notes on the Poetics of Resistance

Resistance is in the air thanks to the election of SCROTUS, the So Called Ruler of the United States. I’ve written about Resist Much, Obey Little: Inaugural Poems to the Resistance and have read my contribution to that effort at several poetry readings. That Trump is President and not Hillary Clinton prepares the ground for a course correction that has been needed since the U.S. veered towards neoliberalism in 1976 with the election of Jimmy Carter. Will the U.S. Empire collapse before capitalism and the biosphere is the question of our time and resistance is not futile. Resistance is necessary. How does that manifest?

In working with a group producing a version of the Cascadia Poetry Festival in Cumberland, BC, in September, 2017, I suggested the Poetics of Resistance as a panel featuring Stephen Collis, whose own resistance to fossil fuel giant Kinder Morgan resulted in a multi-million dollar lawsuit against him which used his own writing against him in a court of law and which was, thankfully, dismissed. Then he published part of the court record in his last book as a very artful/fuck you/act of resistance.

Jared Leising thought that panel was a good idea and beat Cumberland to the punch last week at Cascadia College. I had the good fortune to be invited on that panel and I am pasting in my notes below.

Notes for Poetics of Resistance, Cascadia College, April 27, 2017

Thanks to Jared Leising and Cascadia College for inviting me and for staging an event like this.
What an amazing panel this is. I am honored to be a part of it.

Read After In Chains

Resistance comes in many forms. Some acts are obvious, such as Stephen’s opposition of the Kinder Morgan pipeline construction. Just being a poet is an act of opposition to what has been called the Industry Generated Culture, or a corporate-driven anti-culture, which manifests in events like a former reality show host being elected President. SCROTUS and El Caudillo Analfabetico are more accurate descriptions.

Audre Lorde quote. 

Discuss the notion of bioregionalism, Cascadia and a 20 year bioregional cultural investigation. (Map.)

Bucky Fuller Quote.

Recite McClure’s Action Philosophy.

I think what this poem alludes to is a resistance so thorough, it begins to look more like allegiance to a way of being that transcends the status quo. A poetics can (& should) reflect this. A poetics can be synonymous with a cosmology.

Sam Rayburn quote: “It takes a carpenter to build a barn but any jackass can knock it down.”

What are we building?

How does that reflect our poetics, our cosmology? 

What are we knocking down?

I like the efforts to “Trump-proof” Seattle that the Transit Riders Union is working on. Even mainstream journalists are suggesting cities ought to do things without involvement of the federal government. This is now mainstream thinking, which is encouraging. (It is a step toward making the federal government irrelevant, of which I think Bucky Fuller would approve.)

I believe when you look at things bioregionally, the federal things get less important. I would be FOR the breakup of the United States into 9 or so smaller countries, none of which get nuclear weapons. In the meantime, to paraphrase Allen Ginsberg I’m putting my straight shoulder to the queer wheel.

Read Organic Manifesto

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Greyhounds & Activism @ Angeline

Melissa Tibbels-Gribben and Alison Tibbels

Start with two rescued Greyhound dogs, add two vegans (a mother and daughter) and move them to a large apartment building in a rapidly gentrifying neighborhood (Columbia City) and what do you get? Community, of course. Meet Alison Tibbals and Melissa Tibbals-Gribbin. Recent transplants from Arizona, they are part of the wave of people moving to Seattle and changing life here for the better. In an interview with them we discuss their journey, how they became vegans, their support of Nikkita Oliver for Mayor of Seattle and their dogs.

Move to Seattle

In the first segment they talked about how they relocated to Seattle and about their beloved Greyhounds who are now retired from racing, but once ran up to 40 miles an hour. Listen to Part 1 – 6:52.

Good Neighbors

In part two they discussed how they ended up in the Angeline Apartments, seen as a symbol of the gentrification in Columbia City and how they are not at all wealthy, but are sharing a one bedroom apartment thanks to the city of Seattle’s MFTE program. They are aware of their roles as “gentrifiers and white people” in Melissa’s words and she says knowing that makes it more imperative that they be “good neighbors.” Alison says that people who come to their home sense there is an opportunity “to be vulnerable” and those places she believes are in short supply in our culture. She also said it is through opening up their home that they are finding out who there are “on a deeper level than they ever expected.” Listen to Part 2 – 7:20.

Not Frozen

In segment three they discussed their method for dealing with the Seattle Freezethe phenomenon that people experience as not kind or welcoming to newcomers to the city and prefer their own cliques. They also talked about how they are sometimes mistaken for a Lesbian couple and sometimes get a kick out of not telling people otherwise, even that they are Mother and Daughter, to see what reactions they can sometime elicit. Listen to Part 3 – 4:12.


They talked about their path to becoming vegans, which started with watching the movies Forks over Knives and Earthlings. Earthlings is said to draw: “parallels between racism, sexism, and speciesism.  They talked about stores that they like to frequent to buy vegan foods, how PCC’s vegan selection is lacking and how Melissa sees the life of a vegan as a spiritual practice, because of her concerns about the treatment of animals. Listen to Part 4 – 7:42.

Columbia City Businesses/YAY Bernie! (Boo DNC)

They talked about businesses in Columbia City that they love, including Fashion Nails, Retroactive Kids, Gather, Green Eileen, Empire Espresso, Andaluz and Super Six, among others. They talked about Bernie Sanders and how they blame the Democratic National Committee for the Republicans winning the 2016 Presidential Election. They also talked about their ongoing activism, their faith in participatory democracy to change the status quo and their support of Nikkita Oliver for Mayor of Seattle. Listen to Part 5 – 6:30.

Alison Tibbals

Angeline Neighbors

I asked Melissa to read her post about people you will find regularly near the Angeline Apartments, including Don, the Real Change vendor, Will and Becca, two regular panhandlers, and Curtis, the Bank of America security guard. Here is the audio and here is the post:

We have several neighbors who don’t live in the building, but whom you will see on your way to PCC, the light rail, the bus, or the bank. Let me introduce you to them, if you haven’t already met:

DON** sells Real Change* outside the main entrance to PCC most weekdays. He’s a voracious reader, a poet, and a really nice guy. He’s always got time for a conversation. New issues of Real Change come out on Wednesdays.

BECCA** and WILL are a long-time couple. He can often be found outside the Edmunds entrance to PCC, and she is usually nearby just west of where cars exit to Edmunds. They live in a tent not far away. Becca recently suffered a spider bite and was hospitalized for a week while she received IV antibiotics. Unfortunately, the wound is not healing and she will require a skin graft.

CURTIS is the security guard at BofA and an Uber driver. He’s got a soft spot for animals, and would love to give your pup some scritches. He sometimes has treats in his pocket for the good dogs, and aren’t they ALL good? EDITED TO ADD: Curtis loves kids too!

Don, Will, and Becca are all EXCELLENT huggers, and enjoy real conversation and meaningful contact instead of or in addition to any financial or food help you may give them.

I haven’t hugged Curtis, primarily because I wouldn’t feel OK hugging a person who wears a gun if there is any chance they might think I’m reaching for it. But he has a fine handshake ;).

* Real Change Homeless Empowerment Project

** Don and Becca are cigarette smokers. If you’re a smoker and have an extra one, or want company while you are indulging, they would be very happy to help you out, I’m sure!

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