Red Pine (Bill Porter) Interview

Bill Porter in the building that will be a meditation center at Fort Worden

I had the good fortune to visit Bill Porter, the translator of ancient Chinese poetry and sacred texts, and interview him at his Port Townsend home on August 28, 2019.

His latest books at the time were Cathay Revisited & Dancing with the Dead, Stonehouse’s Poems for Zen Monks and A Day in the Life: The Empty Bowl & Diamond Sutras.

We talked about all three books, about his introduction to learning Chinese and Chinese culture, getting introduced to meditation and Zen, about his move to Port Townsend and a few other things on the way.


Bill Porter Interview, Part 1: 28:17

In part one Bill discusses how he was “Victorious Cloud” before he was Red Pine, how he ended up in Port Townsend in 1993, when it was cheap to live there, about how he came to translate the poems Ezra Pound made famous in the book “Cathay,” how he took the name Red Pine and about the historic figure named Red Pine.

Bill Porter Interview, Part 2: 32:41

In part two, he discussed his spirituality and how he likens Taoism to “housebroken shamanism.” He discussed mountain hermits in China, how they are respected in the country and how they have informed his life. He talked about how he got his translation publishing career started, how he planned to meet the daughter and granddaughter of Ezra Pound and so translated Cathay for them and other topics.

Bill Porter Interview, Part 3: 31:36.

In the final part of our August 28, 2019 interview, Bill Porter talked about W.S. Merwin, how Merwin visited Ezra Pound when Pound was incarcerated at St. Elizabeth’s and urged Merwin to begin translating poetry to be a better poet. He discussed how he first came across the poem Howl and how upon hearing Allen Ginsberg reading it (which his friend Mike O’Connor had on a cassette tape) allowed him to appreciate it more. He also discussed “The Empty Bowl & Diamond Sutras” about his footnotes, the concept of “intellectual receptivity” and shanti (to accept and bear.) He said the ultimate truth in Buddhism is that nothing is born. He read from “The Empty Bowl Sutra” – and then discussed a segment of the book that your humble narrator billed as an “antidote to identity politics.” He also discussed the creation of a meditation center in Port Townsend at Fort Worden.

Bill Porter and Your Humble Narrator

About Splabman

Paul Nelson is founder of SPLAB (Seattle Poetics LAB) in Seattle, the Cascadia Poetry Festival and the August POetry POstcard Fest (PoPo). He has published a collection of essays, Organic Poetry & a serial poem re-enacting the history of Auburn, WA, A Time Before Slaughter (shortlisted for a 2010 Genius Award by The Stranger) and American Sentences, a book of 17 syllable poems drawn from the first fourteen of his 20 years of daily practice. The tenth anniversary edition of that book includes Pig War: & Other Songs of Cascadia. He’s interviewed Allen Ginsberg, Michael McClure, Wanda Coleman, Anne Waldman, Sam Hamill, Robin Blaser, Nate Mackey, Eileen Myles, George Bowering, Diane di Prima, Brenda Hillman, George Stanley, Joanne Kyger & many Cascadia poets (see: has presented his poetry and poetics in London, Brussels, Bothell, Cumberland, BC, Qinghai and Beijing, China, Lake Forest, Illinois, Ukiah, CA, and other places & writes an American Sentence every day.
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4 Responses to Red Pine (Bill Porter) Interview

  1. Sara L Bingham says:

    Paul Nelson is a first-rate interviewer. He asks excellent questions and then allows the subject to speak without interruption. This is so, so, rare. I found this interview with Bill Porter very interesting. Many thanks.

  2. Splabman says:

    Sara, thanks for chiming is with such a kind assessment. Paul

  3. Louis Stevenson says:

    Thanks, thanks and thanks Paul. It is a wonderful interview; I felt like I was back in Port Townsend having tea with Bill. Thanks to Red Pine for sharing his stories; his pilgrimage to visit where Ezra Pound had lived and his meetings with Ezra Pound’s daughter, his background to the hermits in the south of China and his Empty Bowl Sutra. Confucius quotes and the warmth that you had for each other came through clearly. Thanks for including Canada at the end of the interview.

  4. Jonathon Cassel says:

    Greetings, I’m very fond of the work of Bill Porter and look forward to listening to this. Is also perchance available in a podcast format?
    Thanks for your reply as well as your endeavors.

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