Paul O Ingram, Rick Rouse (The World is About To Turn)

One can look at one’s Twitter feed, or watch the news to understand how dark things are right now in USAmerica, but if the old cliché is true, that it is darkest before the dawn, we’re in for a transformation. Two religious academic professionals are working to bring that into being. They say in a new book that we are at a turning point in American history and we can continue down a path of exclusion, bigotry, hatred and fear, or as a nation “summon our better angels and reclaim some of the basic human values of goodness, inclusion, fairness, love, forgiveness, humility, compassion and justice.” How to help the U.S.A. rediscover its moral compass and find its spiritual center is the focus of their new book: The World is About To Turn: Mending a Nation’s Broken Faith. They also understand if it IS to happen, it will be in a nation that is, in their words, “post-Christian.”

Paul O. Ingram is Professor of Religion Emeritus at Pacific Lutheran University in Tacoma, Washington. He’s the author of Buddhist-Christian Dialogue in an Age of Science, Wrestling with God & Wrestling with the Ox: A Theology of Religious Experience.

Rev. Dr. Rick Rouse has taught practical theology at both the undergrad & graduate level in the U.S. and Germany; he’s a popular conference speaker & serves as a parish consultant working with congregations in the areas of strategic planning, spiritual discernment & leadership. A certified Spiritual Director & ordained Lutheran pastor for 45 years, he’s served congregations in Arizona, California, Oregon & Washington.

Here is the interview we did on October 23, 2020:

About Splabman

Paul Nelson is founder of SPLAB (Seattle Poetics LAB) in Seattle, the Cascadia Poetry Festival and the August POetry POstcard Fest (PoPo). He has published a collection of essays, Organic Poetry & a serial poem re-enacting the history of Auburn, WA, A Time Before Slaughter (shortlisted for a 2010 Genius Award by The Stranger) and American Sentences, a book of 17 syllable poems drawn from the first fourteen of his 20 years of daily practice. The tenth anniversary edition of that book includes Pig War: & Other Songs of Cascadia. He’s interviewed Allen Ginsberg, Michael McClure, Wanda Coleman, Anne Waldman, Sam Hamill, Robin Blaser, Nate Mackey, Eileen Myles, George Bowering, Diane di Prima, Brenda Hillman, George Stanley, Joanne Kyger & many Cascadia poets (see: has presented his poetry and poetics in London, Brussels, Bothell, Cumberland, BC, Qinghai and Beijing, China, Lake Forest, Illinois, Ukiah, CA, and other places & writes an American Sentence every day.
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